Deagon, father of one of the Bali victims argues against the death penalty for the Bali perpetrators. That is his right and one can only feel sympathy for the loss of a child but blaming Howard, Downer, US imperialism and other left wing targets obscures and invalidates the debate. His only reason for arguing against the death penalty is to avail himself of another avenue of blaming everybody except the mongrels who did it.
in the Australian gravitates towards critisizing Australia’s foreign policy as its base. He goes on rail against the wrong causes.
Politically, I am confused. It could be argued that these men who proclaim Allah has guided them did not single out my son. Rather, they viewed the group of tourists at the Sari Club on that October night as representative of a Western collective of terror whose leaders had bombed Muslim states such as Afghanistan and Iraq, so killing, albeit inadvertently, equally innocent children.
One question Brian. When did western powers deliberately target women and children. Answer that and your confusion should clear.
I have always disagreed with the death penalty because the possibility of a mistake is real. In this case I think I need to think it through again. I don’t care if they become martyrs so long as other potential mongrels get the message.
and Gareth Parker
Hicks, prime idiot and resident of Guantanamo Bay lockup for terrorists is being picked up by the left and US haters as a cause célèbre. In this article in the Australian
it is claimed he was groomed for terror missions
. Whether he is a bigger fish than we originally thought or not, remains to be seen, but I think the salient point is this; he chose to travel to another country and fight a war on the loosing side. In my school of thought, a person is responsible for their own decisions and actions after having reached adulthood and it should be no different in this case. One of the first lessons to be learned when travelling is that you are subject to the laws of the land in which you currently reside. That means, if you are in Thailand and peddle drugs, you might find yourself facing a firing squad. It is no good applying what Australian society sees as just and fair – the rest of the world is not necessarily just and fair. The US is claiming Hicks is not a POW, he is a terrorist and will be tried under that law. He was trying to kill US soldiers, they have captured him – so they have the call. Don’t like it? Stiff! All you can do is make a resolve never to go to another country and get involved in their war. Of course, he is lucky he simply wasn’t shot on site/sight (both fit) which is what the Taliban or al-Qa’ida would have done in the reverse circumstances.
God I hate this. Just as the the demands to release all asylum seekers into the community have started to wane another bloody boat
load appears. There will be weeks of verbosity from people populating a parrallel universe demanding we do it all again. It does beg the question though, how did they get so close.
Last year I visited the North-West coast and sailed from Port Headland to the Monte Bello Islands. While there, waiting for the weather to clear, we were visited each day by a Coast Watch plane calling up on the radio for details of our last port, our next port, registration details of the yacht and people on board. I was actually impressed by this, as well as reassured. There is a fishing fleet operating out of Port Headland and yachts galore and it is not the cyclone season so what were they doing? Frightening!
I’m just a little wary about the Palestinians calling a three month truce. Is is an old tactic – call a truce, restock your ammo and retrain the troops. However I do hope it works for lots of noble reasons and for one of lesser nobility – I’d just love to hear the silence from the Bush/US/Howard/War haters if Bush pulls it off along with his ticks in the box for slowing terrorism, ruining Saddam’s day and otherwise giving some of us hope for a better world.
Kamu mati! says a father of a Bali victim to Amrozi as prosecutors call for the death penalty. Your dead! Maybe if we kill and bury all these terrorists in a pool of pigs blood, facing away from Mecca and with a cross around their neck and then advertise the fact heavily in the middle east we might bring about a rethink. No 28 whatever vestal virgins in heaven if you go via that sort of grave.
WMDs are still missing according to the Left. They are there, they just haven’t all been located yet. I received this link from a news service I subscribe to that lays it all out fairly logically. The article is by Richard Spertzel
who was head of the biological-weapons section of UNSCOM from 1994 to 1999. I’m prepared to believe he is simply reporting the facts as he knows them as different from some left-wing journalists who present the facts very selectively so as to promote their particular ideology.
The opinions in this letter to the Editor of the Australian go a long way to explain what is wrong with the world
Barbarians at the museum gates
THERE is much that is macabre and indisputably obscene in the spectacle of beautiful Baghdad, citadel of Islam’s Arabic civilisation and treasure trove of antiquity, its people now without water, food supplies and electrical power, all distraught under the precision bombing by air and panzer divisions of the colossus of world capitalism and globalisation, the United States.
Surely every person of art, education and culture across the planet will weep at this horrifying rape of Baghdad, capital city of Iraq, formerly Mesopotamia, cradle of human history. What now of its community centres of Islamic art, its rare libraries and museums, its three great universities, its market places and recreation sites, its many gorgeous mosques â€“ 95 per cent of Iraq’s people are Muslims â€“ under the jackboots of US crusaders, the Christian soldiers, as they dance in jubilation upon the ruins?
OK. I get your first point. Panzer Divisions and jackboots is fairly obvious. US = Nazi Germany.
Second point. Use emotive language to set the scene further. Citadel of Arabic civilization; no food, no water, no electricity. Owen, if you got your news from sources other than the ABC you might have noticed that your hated US panzer divisions are still getting shot at. No one likes the aftermath of a war of liberation but for Gods sake give them a day or two to ensure the war is over before they take steps to help Iraqi’s secure their country.
Surely every person of art, education and culture across the planet will weep at this horrifying rape of Baghdad meaning everyone who isn’t of art, education and culture will not have the intelligence, education or sensitivity to understand my superior intellect and it’s conclusions.
Owen Campbell Mortimer, your a wanker. It must have been very trying during World War 2 for you to have to live and relate to the ordinary uncultured men of the RAAF.
That this defeat of an innocent and sovereign people under the weapons of mass destruction of the US is “in Australia’s national interest” is untrue, false, an appalling lie. Justify it if you can, Prime Minister Howard and Commander-in-Chief Governor-General Very Reverend Hollingworth.
Easy, Owen. Saddam’s regime supported terrorism of the kind that we saw at the WTC and Bali. Until regime’s of that ilk are destroyed and democratized the problem exists world wide. They will try and kill us just because we are what we are, free societies that don’t slavishly follow the Koran. Definitely “in Australia’s interests”
I speak in despair, now retired from the workforce, a US-trained teacher of school, college and university, a specialist in communication skills and theatre arts, and once (from 1941 to 1945) in time of a just world war against Nazi Germany and imperialist Japan, Flight Lieutenant Air Observer-Navigator, a proud officer of the Royal Australian Air Force. But now, indeed, “with rue my heart is laden”.
Owen Campbell Mortimer
You may think your abbreviated Curriculum Vitae adds weight to your opinion, but most people would say, ” Well he would say that, wouldn’t he?” I mean outside or World War 2 it would appear your whole life has been spent closeted from the realities of life. Why face them now?
In real life, and for the immediate future, the lives and human rights of the Iraqi’s must take a higher priority than art. I too am saddened at the possible loss of history and culture but I know that the US and Iraqis are working at gaining control of law and order issues as they come to grips with having gained control of freedom for the people. A point to note here is that Iraq has no equivalent of our police forces. The police in Iraq were only traffic cops. The law and order issues were handled by the Secret Police. You know, one mistake and your underground with electrodes dropping power surges through your genitals. Give peace a chance!
How quaint – “with rue my heart is laden” and could I add “and with emotive language and inability to see the whole picture, my brain is dulled”